We Need to Go Back in Time

Dear God:

Why didn’t you save the school children at ?. ..

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96
Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97
Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97
West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97
Stamp, Arkansas 12/15/97
Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98
Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98
Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98
Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98
Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98

Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99
Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99
Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99
Deming, New Mexico 11/19/99
Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99
Santee, California 3/ 5/01
El Cajon, California 3/22/01 and

Blacksburg , VA 4/16/07 ?


Concerned Student



Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.




How! did this get started?…


Let’s see,
I think it started when Madeline Murray O’Hare complained
She didn’t want any prayer in our schools.

And we said, OK.


Then, someone said you better not:

Read the Bible in school;
the Bible that says
“thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
And love your neighbors as yourself,”

And we said, OK…


Dr. Benjamin Spock said
We shouldn’t spank our children
When they misbehaved
Because their little personalities
Would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem.

And we said,
An expert should know what he’s talking about
So we won’t spank them anymore..


Then someone said
Teachers and principals better not
Discipline our children when they misbeh! ave.
And the school administrators said
No faculty member in this school
Better touch a student when they misbehave
Because we don’t want any bad publicity,
And we surely don’t want to be sued.

And we accepted their reasoning…


Then someone said,
let’s let our daughters have abortions if they want,
And they won’t even have to tell their parents.

And we said, that’s a grand idea.


Then some wise school board member said,
Since boys will be boys
And they’re going to do it anyway,
let’s give our sons all the condoms they want,
So they can have all the fun they desire,
And we won’t have to tell their parents they got them at school.

And we said, that’s another great idea…


Then some of our top elected officials said
It doesn’t matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs.

And we said,
It doesn’t matter what anybody, including the President,
Does in private as long as we have jobs and the economy is good….


And someone else took that appreciation a step further
And published pictures of nude children
And then stepped further still by
Making them available on the Internet.

And we said, everyone’s entitled to free speech….


And the entert! ainment industry said,
let’s make TV shows and movies that promote
Profanity, violence and illicit sex…
And let’s record music that encourages
Rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes…

And we said,
it’s just entertainment
And it has no adverse effect
And nobody takes it seriously anyway,
So go right ahead.


Now we’re asking ourselves
Why our children have no conscience,
Why they don’t know right from wrong,
And why it doesn’t bother them to
Kill strangers, classmates or even themselves.


If we thought about it long and hard enough,
We could figure it out.
I’m sure it has a great deal to do with…


——— ———

Pass it on
If you think it has merit!
If not then just discard it…
But if you discard this thought process,
Then don’t you dare sit back and complain about
What bad shape this country is in!!

Why is it our children can not read a Bible in school, but can in


65 Responses to We Need to Go Back in Time

  1. Good post MM.

    My father for as long as I can remember said, “things are worse than before, simply because the worse has been tolerated.”

    A nation is in big trouble when the worst offense is being judgmental.

  2. Gorilla Guys says:

    This is really really good. Thanks MM.

  3. Excellent Post: I would also include the lack of dress code in out schools. Middle and High School girls dress more provocative than street walkers did 30 years ago.

  4. madmouser says:

    A few public schools in Florida wear uniforms. They have 3-4 different styles and the kids look great. My neighbor has 4 kids in school and she said the uniforms are a blessing. I wish they would do it in all schools.

  5. opit says:

    I was brought up in a family where religion was part of lifestyle. I recall questions about free will and conscience – and also about their proper place.
    The atheists are right. Conscience has to be an informed, prayerful choice. I did not ‘brainwash’ my children with Christianity – although we went to Church !
    I have had the privilege to know some people who did amazing service to their communities – without fanfare. A good number of them would have cordially disagreed with me on the specifics of how the Universe was run.
    Should I pretend they were worthless, misinformed and maladjusted souls doomed to burn in Hell ? There must have been too much hippie influence around. I always thought that was Gods’s choice.
    Nor can I explain the deaths of children. If you want a real cause for outrage, read the file I posted about the fouling of the public water supply in Iraq. They died by the thousands as a result : innocents.
    I had the cane at school. It was not applied according to ‘proper’ procedure – nor was I the only one. It did nothing for my rebellion. Prayer did – but that was personal choice.
    It’s really funny/sad to hear you think this way. I agree people should be encouraged to be moral, just and law-abiding. Charity, though, does not rest on this foundation.
    Example is the only way to teach children. ‘Do what I say, not what I do’ is always recognized as hypocrisy and not to be believed.
    That requires community involvement. The government has its place – but the law is a blunt tool and public policy is too fickle to trust it to do that job.

  6. opit says:

    Guess I’m in the mood. “God came not into the world to condemn the world, but that it should, through him be saved”.
    Now, that’s a lot to put on any one person. I’d be a liar if I said, at my age, that I took it literally – I do know perfectly well what allegorical speech means. That was the nature of communication at the time of the Gospels : taking it as more than stories told to illustrate points of social truth is hard to demonstrate as a service to the community : regardless of personal opinion or emotional haranguing.
    I recommend the Book of Ruth. I know it isn’t the standard, but collections have been known to miss good points in haste for revision. And no – it’s not New Testament. But – sometimes not knowing the cultural basics perverts a conversation.

  7. madmouser says:

    I guess you were in the mood to pretend you are a politician because you spout such flowery rhetoric meant to impress people, and to imply that you are above average intelligent, but in actuality, you have said nothing.
    You said thats a lot to put on one person. I agree if it was put on any one of us, but not for God.
    Why is it hard to demonstrate illustrious stories as a service to the community? I think the Bible has done a very good job.
    And your last statement regarding Ruth and ignorance of cultural basics perverts a conversation is simply sanctimonious.

  8. opit says:

    Wow. I said enough but you read more into it. Am I supposed to apologize for being chatty ? I was brought up with the King James version of the Bible where things said by Jesus were written in red. After I got through those, the rest didn’t impress as much.
    I don’t know what sanctimoniousness has to do with understanding what is being said. Let’s make it dead simple : Ruth is so basic that it is known by its lack : ruthless.

  9. ladyconklin says:

    Death of a child is extremely painful anyway you look at it. I have seen and heard of so many tragic deaths or abuse to children I could just throw-up. Just the other day, a guy who was suppose to be called to minister, took his 2month old baby and put her in a microwave. Now what the hell is that, other than really misguided and one sick individual. How did God play a roll in this or even Ruth? Every day a child is a victim of it’s environment one way or another. Teaching by example is a great way to do things providing you have the right tools. In essensence if one doesn’t have any common sense to begin with, how can they teach. I have seen to many situations of this and I feel anymore, it’s come to the point in today’s society, that you must have a license to drive, to shoot a firearm, fish, etc. So why not have to have a license to breed. If nothing else parents should be required to take parenting courses for at least a year before starting a family. One could only hope by doing so, that maybe the future children of the world could stand a better chance of survial than the last generation.

  10. opit says:

    Silly question. Can you point me to a regulation or law that states a child may not read any religious book in school ? I’m sure somewhere, sometime such stupidity has in fact been passed – but – you may find such hard to find. And not the Bible ? That really ups the odds.I’m quibbling here – making a distinction between what may be read and what the state deems proper to teach.

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  12. madmouser says:

    Lady, I didn’t hear about the microwave incident. I hope they have the person in custody and will convict him/her and throw them into the general prison population. Prisoners hate child molesters and usually take care of them when they are in prison. If you get my drift…

    We really need to do something about these people in advance of their evil actions. I am not sure what, but I will recognize it when I see it. I like your idea about getting a license to breed. Thanks for caring.

  13. opit says:

    Put your feet up and watch the morality tale “Clockwork Orange” by Stanley Kubrick before you ride away so fast and free. It’s violent and rather repulsive, but foresees exactly the wrong-headedness you are trying to promote.

  14. opit…stopit…and shutit — “you don’t know s$%t from shinola (a little Memorial Day WW2 lingo for your amusement)!”

    The flick, “A Clockwork Orange” was a warning and a satire of how destructive and dangerous a liberal attitude toward crime and criminals can be — “I’m singing in the rain, WACK!…just singing in the rain…BAP!”

    “Like the wine?” — You probably need some of the “in’s and out’s!” — Hmmm?

  15. madmouser says:

    GMS to the rescue. Thanks, I was lost on Clockwork Orange, didn’t see it or ever heard a discussion about it.

  16. opit says:

    greetingsmyson Thanks for making my point. You can call it a ‘liberal’ view – though I’m damned if I can figure out what that is these days – or you can recognize that some shit doesn’t work !

  17. cybil says:

    GMS & Opit…Mud wrestling anyone?

  18. cybil says:

    GMS, you are just classic. Thanks again for the lift.

  19. cybil says:

    Hey, anyone heard from theo lately?

  20. Girlfriend, the movie “A Clockwork Orange” is not a chick flick, and opit should be ashamed for recommending it to a lady.

    I bought it and watched it with my wife, (well, until she left the room screaming unspeakable things about my heritage, and I thought I heard something nasty with respect to my sainted mother, but she denies this now that she cooled down) — “How could you let me watch one second of this movie, I’ll have nightmares for months!”


    I’ll bet Theo meet some burly sailor and they are now in Las Vegas getting married by an Elvis impersonator — “Ah, thank you, thank you ever much!” — “Theo and Captain Bob have left the room.”
    He probably cannot get her out of the bridal suite — “Oh Captain Bob, you are the wings beneth my wings.” “Have your way with me you big babalook.”

    I am glad I helped you make your point, what ever it was. Surely (how much you want to bet he comes back with, Don’t call me Shirley) you have the ability to know a liberal from a conservative. I believe I’ll search my data and find some differnces for you.

  21. arclightzero says:

    Feb. 2, 1996
    Moses Lake, Wash.
    Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

    Feb. 19, 1997
    Bethel, Alaska
    Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

    Oct. 1, 1997
    Pearl, Miss.
    Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

    Dec. 1, 1997
    West Paducah, Ky.
    Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

    Dec. 15, 1997
    Stamps, Ark.
    Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

    March 24, 1998
    Jonesboro, Ark.
    Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

    April 24, 1998
    Edinboro, Pa.
    One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

    May 19, 1998
    Fayetteville, Tenn.
    One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.

    May 21, 1998
    Springfield, Ore.
    Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

    June 15, 1998
    Richmond, Va.
    One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

    April 20, 1999
    Littleton, Colo.
    14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation’s deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.

    May 20, 1999
    Conyers, Ga.
    Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.

    Nov. 19, 1999
    Deming, N.M.
    Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.

    Dec. 6, 1999
    Fort Gibson, Okla.
    Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

    Feb. 29, 2000
    Mount Morris Township, Mich.
    Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.

    March 10, 2000
    Savannah, Ga.
    Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.

    May 26, 2000
    Lake Worth, Fla.
    One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

    Sept. 26, 2000
    New Orleans, La.
    Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

    Jan. 17, 2001
    Baltimore, Md.
    One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

    March 5, 2001
    Santee, Calif.
    Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

    March 7, 2001
    Williamsport, Pa.
    Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

    March 22, 2001
    Granite Hills, Calif.
    One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

    March 30, 2001
    Gary, Ind.
    One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

    Nov. 12, 2001
    Caro, Mich.
    Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

    Jan. 15, 2002
    New York, N.Y.
    A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.

    October 28, 2002
    Tucson, Ariz.
    Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself.

    April 14, 2003
    New Orleans, La.
    One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.

    April 24, 2003
    Red Lion, Pa.
    James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

    Sept. 24, 2003
    Cold Spring, Minn.
    Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

    March 21, 2005
    Red Lake, Minn.
    Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

    Nov. 8, 2005
    Jacksboro, Tenn.
    One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

    Aug. 24, 2006
    Essex, Vt.
    Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend’s mother.

    Sept. 26, 2006
    Bailey, Colo.
    Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.

    Sept. 29, 2006
    Cazenovia, Wis.
    A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.

    Oct. 3, 2006
    Nickel Mines, Pa.
    32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.

    Jan. 3, 2007
    Tacoma, Wash.
    Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.

    April 16, 2007
    Blacksburg, Va.
    A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded.

  22. opit says:

    GMS “Ashamed for recommending it to a lady”. I’ve got to give you marks for that one. All the same, guilty before an offense is committed is nothing like a traditional view of justice. I thought that was an example of ‘progressivism’ gone past the pale.

  23. opit,

    I must ask if there is possibly the equivalent of a “Rosetta Stone” that I can have at hand when I try to make heads or tales out of your comments? — An “opit stone,” if you will.

    Damn dude, it’s a chore; I cannot make hide or hair of what you say!

    The only thing I know for sure, based on your gobbelegock is… you cannot tell a liberal from a conservative these days — WOW! — It’s pretty clear to most of us.

    Well, that plus you like to talk for the sake of talking, and frankly, I’d rather spend time with a murderer.

  24. opit says:

    You’re not the first to say I’m obscure, so I’ll try for clarity.
    To me, Clockwork Orange is what is referred to as a ‘cautionary tale’. It’s crude and violent because of the subject matter – and the filmmaker was trying for immediacy and realism in making his point – which was, I thought – messing with the human mind was likely to have dangerous and unexpected results.

  25. But opit please think about the movie you saw and perhaps watch it again.

    These limey miscreants where partaking in their raping and pillaging, long before the star (Malcolm McDowell, was it ?????), received his “aversion therapy.”

    Softness on crime and criminals is what created them, and allowed them to roam the deserted, filthy, neglected streets. Liberalism is what messed with these animals minds.

    And just in case you are not aware, there is the book to read.

  26. opit says:

    You remind me of parents who think it their fault when their kids go bad. No more is it the fault of a society that there are bad people in it. People are what they are : sometimes that’s none too pretty.
    Getting away from fiction, although I am untrained, I was in fact in charge of a number of mentally ill for a while. They were neither stupid – nor happy – and finding a way out of the box confining them not hopeful. Pity can be as corrosive as hate.
    You’re as bad at blaming ‘liberalism’ – literally a wish to be free of government interference with people’s private lives – as others are at blaming Bush ; for which I could find a lot more evidence.

  27. madmouser says:

    Opit, I must chime in here, not that GMS needs my support, he is quite capable of standing upright on his own two feet. I usually need him, but in many cases it is the parents fault for not parenting. Too many parents, both working hard, are really exhausted and don’t have the energy to be parents, so they try buying their kids every hot toy and gadget on the market as an exclamation of their love. Sorry, but you can’t buy off lids that easily. When they know they can do what they please without expecting disciplinary action to follow; they will do just as they please and tell you to go to hell. They know that isn’t love. They are smart enough to know you are trying to buy your way through parenthood without being a parent and they will try to make you pay a price for not giving them your personal attention, your love, your house rules, your wisdom, your time but most of all your love.

    Then , we have a society that finds excuses for all the wrongdoings and eventually make the criminal out to be a victim. How absurd is that. That is the face of Liberalism looking at you through psychedelic glasses. Take a reality pill and stop trying to promote a purpose for drug-inducing doctors to stay in business.

  28. opit said,

    “‘liberalism’ – literally a wish to be free of government interference with people’s private lives”

    WHAT! — Dude are you mad?

    One all encompassing example of how wrong your definition of liberalism is:

    One of the best ways to describe freedom is to say, “it is when people have options to make non–criminal, moral choices that do not harm innocent people.” Now, if you take away a persons money, you take away their ability to make choices and therefore their freedom — It ain’t the conservatives taking away peoples choices or their options, it’s the liberals.

    Step father:

    80% of youthful criminals are from one parent, overwhelmingly fatherless homes. The insane liberal welfare state that provided more money for each child you had out of wedlock is the main reason for the destruction of the traditional family. Even the parents that stay together are victims of liberalism since the high taxation rate on everything makes it necessary for both parents to work.

    opit, you have a very self serving ridicules notion of what a liberal (provide cradle to grave in your face control from government) is. Protecting unborn children, not allowing Bob and Tom to get married, not allowing illegal drugs that can harm people other than the user, is not government interfering with people’s private lives — It’s protecting life and limb from scum and perverts.

    P.S. Chime in anytime girlfriend, you nailed it, opit is trying to get cute with the animus of a liberal — which I find insulting that he would even try that here.

  29. opit says:

    You slay me, dude. How is reducing taxes on the rich taking not ordinary people’s money away ? I need some good revisionist economic theory ! Somebody has to pay the piper !

  30. opit says:

    I’m going to indulge in a little comparison here. Every business under the sun has a ‘business model’ which has to work. Government is no different – you have to strike a balance that works. Note I said balance – not an on/off proposition. And if money has to be found for any financial entity to operate – are you going to have more luck getting it from those who have money or those who don’t ?
    ‘Value for the money’ is still implicit in the equation or you end up walking down the road.
    What’s wrong with that ?

  31. opit says:

    I was reading silly jump-to-conclusions innuendo. I didn’t have any more kids after my first marriage. I was the only father she ever knew – and just last week she sent me some music out of the blue. We live hundreds of miles away and she’s married – and seems happy with it.
    Don’t you tell me what liberals believe. If I’m the liberal you’re taking my part in the discussion – or are you a liberal now ? And scum and perverts are people who claim violence and interference with their fellow citizens is good government.

  32. Regarding your first comment in the latest series — The rich pay more than their fair share of taxes and when they are free to spend their money how they choose, the money is better and more fairly distributed throughout our economy. AND, creates more jobs and does not create and support a bunch of lay about lossers.

    Your second and third comment will need my having at the ready “The Opit Stone.”

  33. Opit,

    I just received the MRI results of your brain.

  34. opit says:

    You speak of ‘old saws’. Bullshit baffles brains. How do you breathe ?

  35. holyghost says:

    greetingsyoubigot, your charade is pathetic. It is clear that you are a late fifty-something unemployed, loveless, self-loathing, closeted gay narcissist with a repressed leftista nature. Go ahead – let the real you out – the truth will set you free. To be frank, your rightminded mask is a thin veil.

  36. Holyghost you’re no charade, you’re a dime a dozen troll that has made no sense whatsoever.

    Do you have something to say pertaining to this bloggers post, since you’re one of the trolls I banned from my blog for making no sense.

    LIBERALSCUM CANNOT DEAL IN LOGIC, SO THEY DEAL IN DISRUPTIVE TROLLING — make an intelligent comment pertaining to the post.

  37. holyghost says:

    When you speak of DEALing IN LOGIC and ‘intellegent’ comment pertaining to the post, do you refere to the following examples of intellect?

    I just received the MRI results of your brain”
    ‘opit…stopit…and shutit — “you don’t know s$%t from shinola’

    you cowardly cyber bullies are all alike, and truely a dime a dozen –can sure dish it out in lbs., but can’t take a single oz. —

    Or perhaps you are refering to the intellectual debate skills displayed by your alter-ego rightminded in the following exchange



  38. My comments to opit were based on his idiotic comments pertainting exactly to the bloggers post.

    opit just as you, are simply commenting to disrupt.

    Throwing out ridicules connections to me and a frequent poster on my blog is an other example of simply disrupting, as is that stupid laughing.

    You still have not commented on the post at hand; another example of disruptive trolling.

  39. holyghost says:

    So what came first – the chicken or the bully?

    And my comments were based on YOUR agressive, pedantic, supercilious and patronizing hate-screed.

    OK then to the subject at hand…

    If our system of education is so anti-american and the primary schools system is so uniformly broken, then how do you explain the outstanding patriotic young men and women soldiers volunteering for our military right out of high school?

    If our sytem of education is so leftist and held hostage by the ‘anti-achievment’ ‘left-wing’ how do you explain the continuing advances of the sciences and arts thoughout our universities?

    Answer me these simple questions oh mighty, past-his-prime, tear-down all who don’t see things through tired worn-out BIgot-FOCALS.

  40. holyghost says:

    Get over it people. Your simple-minded post-war, 1950’s, Ward Cleaver-ish misogynistic viewpoint on America is dead.

    Teens have sex, always have always will. If social norms, fables of punishing white- bearded men in the sky and the brutal rules of Mao haven’t curtailed the love making practices of youth, your silly moral majority slogans don’t stand a chance.

    If you don’t want to teach birth control in the schools and make condoms and other birth control accessible to sexually charged teens then you have to deal with increased unwanted preganancies. You’ve said it, for the most part they certainly are not going to get proper guidence from their parents unaturally preoccupied with chasing the almighty $dollar$.

    Young American woman have more choices these days than to catch a good provider and being a good ‘homemaker’. Getting ‘knocked-up’ and locking in the marriage proposal is not the sure thing it was for most of our grandmothers.

    Why do you right minded morons keep insisting on pointing the finger at non-issues like sex? Could it be that sex, in all its forms, is something of human nature that will never change and therefore gives you a solid perpetual platform to spew meaningless guilt-driven distractions to capture the entangle the weak-minded into doing you other bidding?

    Work, spend, borrow!
    Work harder spend more, borrow more.
    Happyness is owning things!
    Freedom from possesion envy is credit.
    These are the true mantras of the right. Enslave yourself to the almighty dollar so that a tiny tiny elite majority can maintain their vice-grip rule.

    Did you keep up greetingsyoubigot? Thoughtfull enough for your grand intellect? Now it’s your turn. Start saying how I make no sense. That I am off point. Then start your childish ‘personal’ attacks and your campaign for banning ‘the troll’ you can’t deal with.


  41. madmouser says:

    Oh my! What anger… or is it jealousy and green-eyed envy that inspires someone to talk as though they are anti-materialism. If our educational system and our society is so great, then how can there be any weak-minded people to follow the right-wing’s love affair with the almighty dollar. I’m sorry, but you cannot have it both ways. Either they are weak-minded because they are not taught properly and parented with love and discipline, or the are not weak-minded because they are taught properly and parented with love and discipline.

    It sounds as though you want no rules because nature is what it is, so let everyone be. If it feels good, do it. You wanna have sex, do it. If you get pregnant, just kill it. You hate your teacher and classmates, kill them too. Its only natural to respond with violence when you want to get your way and others try to stop you.

    You express no separation between adults and teens. So, I guess in your world adult life begins somewhere around 12 years of age. Fine, let them drink, drive, have sex and be in charge of their own lives. When they are on the street and hungry, they can come to visit you and get fed and a roof over their heads, plus some pocket change. If you do not wish to comply, too bad Jack, they will beat you to a pulp and take what they want because it’s only natural to ensure survival.

    Leave me alone with your old, tired psycho-babble.

  42. opit says:

    Well. That was interesting.
    I find it odd that the same argument used by atheists against there being a God – how could any God worth having be so heartless ?- is used here as an argument to have religion taught in schools.
    That is something mainstream religion has fought long and hard against ! It isn’t science – it isn’t just ‘culture’ – how can you believe that some mythical ‘left’ is fighting against the state hijacking the proper place of clergy ? Fact is, most people think the idea stinks !

  43. opit says:

    By the way, Mouser, I took ‘Divinity’ – religion – whatever, in a private church-associated institution. I also went to public schools.
    I’m a P.K. and confused, I guess, partly because I went to different Christian churches when the Ecumenical movement was going strong – and people sought the ties that bind – and refused running down people with other opinions as acts of intolerance inspired by Satan. Y’know ? That just might be a religious attitude !

  44. holyghost says:

    Mouse, sincerely, are you trying to say that by putting your God in our schools we could prevent violence? I simply can’t see the connection. If you have hidden the proof somewhere in your original post or subsequent comments please point it out.

    OK, for argument sake, let’s agree to put God in our schools. There remain one BIG QUESTION and a few lesser questions for the curriculum committee

    Who’s God(s)?

    Do we choose by demographics nationally? Then it’s settled, the Catholics have it with roughly 25% of the population. Followed close behind by the Baptists at 16% and declared No Religion at 14%.
    If we do not settle on a national religion then do we build schools for denomination or just segregate the children in classrooms according to faith?
    Do we use tax dollars?
    Subsidize church/temple/atheist run facilities?
    What about agnostics and atheist?
    How about mixed families do we separately educate children of blended families?

    Incidentally, it was weak of you to imply that I advocate abortion. There is no evidence of that position in my writings. Abortion is absolutely wrong in my opinion. I merely said you better get prepared for a lot of unwanted pregnancies if you can’t get your head around taking ‘sin’ and immorality out of the use of BIRTH CONTROL. The math is simple: more people = more sex = more babies. Reactionary and conservative philosophies just don’t cut it anymore. We have to find a way to put the brakes on population growth worldwide.

    Since you and your likeminded ditto heads have so much contempt for ‘little brown people’ you better find some way to control all the reproduction going on out here. Even if we are temporarily successful at stopping your so called ‘little brown people’ at the border today, what about tomorrow? And the day after tomorrow? Is it not inevitable that these undisciplined, unproductive, oversexed, over-breeding little brown people (your viewpoint) will eventually overrun us.

    Our earth supports more human beings at this moment in time than have lived and died to date, throughout history, and there is nothing in sight to slow the pace. Less than 5% of the current world-wide population are considered ‘American’. Honestly, if majority rules then get ready to say uncle.

  45. holyghost says:

    Oh, and Mouse, I almost forgot, with regard to ‘jealousy and green-eyed envy’ and ‘anti-materialism’ taunt — Why is it that you struggling, first and second generation barely ‘upwardly mobile’, semi-professional, pseudo-intellectual conservative type useful idiots can’t reconcile business acumen and monetary success with liberal thought? Who gave the self-described conservative groups a monopoly on self-made achievers.

    Only because you chose to question my position in life and attempt to pass judgment on my opinions according to how much ‘stuff’ I may have, I am put into the embarrassing position to assure you that I have acquired quite a fair share of stuff. I assure you that I am fully self-actualized spiritually and materially. I venture to say with confidence that I could buy and sell your cheese many times over.

  46. What you’re doing now Holyghost is flame commenting. Another tool of the radical troll — Throw a lot of logorrhea and questions out at a fast clip, and therefore get most people to simply not respond because of the time it involves reading your “thoughts,” let alone responding to them, or even “understanding them.”

    However, I’ll read and respond to your first post, and and as time allows in the future read and respond to the others if I feel like it. Although, MM most certainly covered it with her keenness of mental perception, understanding, and discernment.

    You asked…
    …If our system of education is so anti-american and the primary schools system is so uniformly broken, then how do you explain the outstanding patriotic young men and women soldiers volunteering for our military right out of high school?

    If our system of education is so leftist and held hostage by the ‘anti-achievment [S]’ ‘left-wing’ how do you explain the continuing advances of the sciences and arts thoughout [S] our universities?”

    Simple — The education system has not been completely destroyed by the Left — “YET.” — And the cuture war continues.

    Please answer my question: Is there a reason why you do not capitalize the word America?

    And why don’t you comment on my Blog with matters that pertain directly towards me? — like the term “little brown people” — MM never used that term, and has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

  47. I’ll do one more tonight, what the heck.

    HolyGhost wrote,

    “Mouse, sincerely, are you trying to say that by putting your God in our schools we could prevent violence? I simply can’t see the connection. If you have hidden the proof somewhere in your original post or subsequent comments please point it out.”

    MM’s God was in the public schools at one time, as it was throughout the fabric of America and there was much less violence. Then your fanatic religion assaulted school prayer and other American value systems, while the fools slept and became fatted calves for the slaughter, and violence increased.

    What proof source would ever satisfy you, other than one of your own religion?

    The fact of the matter is, death and violence goes hand and hand with your fanatical religion — The religious war continues

  48. opit,

    I swear to God Almighty, I wish I could understand what you are talking about — I honestly do not have a clue.

  49. holyghost says:

    No greetingsmybigot I’m not flaming anyone, but you obviously went to the Richard Poe School of Juvenile and Narcissistic Blogging Tactics. You are really not as important as you fantasize. This is not about you. You were just the biggest stupidest voice heard in this thread and your cruel unwarranted insulting comments to others caught my attention. Like any Good Samaritan I came to the aid of a group of people under assault by the proverbial boorish neighborhood bully. Just can’t help myself when it comes to tangling with mean spirited know-it-all loud-mouths like you. It simply brings the worst out in me. In reality I don’t expect useful idiot nobodies as limited as you to contribute to the serious discourse here or anywhere else for that matter. You greetingsmybigot are, quite frankly, nothing more than a joke. Most people reading your screed will agree with me, just very few with take the time to let you know. Now crawl back into your cave and let the adults try to debate things. Besides, isn’t it time you get back to your own blog and invent some comments for your fake alter-egos Marsha, Rightminded, et al.?

  50. I feel like slumming it tonight for a little while. Also, I want to teach the not so experienced, gentle, sane reader of quality Blogs, how to deal with the evil, illogical, secular–atheist Leftist troll.

    Holyghost writes,

    “Who’s God(s)” (referring to the God or Gods we allow in the public schools).

    We shove no God or religion down peoples throats in the public school system.

    The secular-atheist’s domination of our public schools is one of the reasons we must completely dismantle the public school system and not shove the tyrannical God and religion of the secular-atheist-leftist down peoples throats.

    Properly managed, the vast fortune of taxpayer’s money spent on the public schools could be re-channeled towards schools of choice for Christians, Jews and even secular atheists.

    REMEMBER, YOU UNSCHOOLED CONSERVATIVES, secular-atheist-leftism, is the most fanatical, brain dead, religion ever known to man kind.

    Holyghost writes,

    “I’m not flaming anyone, but you obviously went to the Richard Poe school of bloging……….”

    So, another blogger has identified you as nothing but a troll. I noticed that “The Thinker,” also got rid of you and deleted your insane comments and made up lies — how many other blogs have banned, and or deleted your insane comments???????????????


    Again, why not post on my blog, matters that are directed at me?

  51. opit says:

    I’ll guarantee one thing. Ratchet-jaws of any stripe do nothing to enable group discussion.

  52. I shudder to think what stripe you believe I am, or you actually are.

    I know what stripe holyghost is — that’s the main reason they’re not digusted by it, since their capable of using it in a pinch.


  53. al66888 says:

    wow, I’m real sorry I missed this back and forth, I may have to try to pick up on it from here on out.

    This is the first that I’m reading of the post and it’s fantastic, it sadly rings all too true.

  54. opit says:

    Stripe ? – Just terminal arrogance and self-righteousness. You have tried to characterize somebody of whom you know nothing and still don’t give it a rest. I’ll leave you to the consolation of having the last word – an commodity obviously more precious than accuracy.

  55. Oh, knock it off Opit, you’ll be back.

    You need an outlet for those inane, middle-of-the-road platitudes that you actually believe set you apart from conservatives and liberalscum.

    Personally, I prefer liberalscum over moderates, at least they are consistent wackos.

    “We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over.” – Aneurin Bevan

  56. Another night, another idiocy commented on.

    holyghost states,

    “Less than 5% of the world-wide population are considered “American.” Honestly if majority rules, get ready to say uncle.”

    Honestly, does anyone really think this statement is rational, other than holyghost?

    Read into what this fool is saying, it is stock LIBERALSCUM — say uncle America since you are out numbered by non-Americans — most real Americans don’t even consider that non-Americans have a vote in their concept of majority rules in America, but these “New World Order Leftist do.”

  57. Study with respect to MM’s post shows major advantage going to churched kids verses the unchurched traveling down lifes pit fall prone highway.

    October 28, 2002

    WASINGTON (RNS)–Teenagers who attend church, have strong religious beliefs and participate in church-sponsored youth activities are more likely than their less-religious peers to avoid risky behavior, according to a new study.
    The report, released in late September by the National Study of Youth and Religion, studied U.S. 12th graders and found a strong correlation between religion and avoiding delinquent activity.
    “The report demonstrates that religion among U.S. 12th graders is positively related to participation in constructive youth activities,” said the study’s principal investigator, Christian Smith. Smith, a professor and associate chair of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where the study was based, and his researchers examined data from Monitoring the Future, a national survey of U.S. high school students. Religious seniors, the study found, are less likely to “use, sell or be offered drugs.” While 61.3 percent of non-churchgoing 12th graders reported using illegal drugs in the previous year, only 38.5 percent of those who attend church frequently said they had. Tobacco and alcohol use was lower among religious teens as well. Only 11.9 percent of frequent churchgoers said they used cigarettes, while almost three times as many of their non-churchgoing peers smoke regularly. Half of those who rated religion as “very important” had never been drunk, compared to 30.5 percent of those who said religion is not important to them.

    In addition, the study reports, religious teens:
    ___Are safer behind the wheel.
    ___Are less attracted to danger and risky situations.
    ___Are less prone to violence and criminal behavior.
    ___Have less trouble in school and with their parents.
    ___Are more involved in sports, community activities and volunteer work.
    ___While the researchers said there is a strong link between religion and positive, healthy behavior in teens, it is difficult, they wrote, to “determine the direction of cause and effect between religion and risk behaviors and social activities.”
    ___Possible factors in the link might be the influence of religion itself or that some families are predisposed to avoid risky behavior and engage in religious activities.

    More proof to come holyghost, if I feel like it, and probably will.

  58. madmouser says:

    Why would America want to become part of the Global New World Order? Why would we want to give up our rights and freedoms? Why do most people want to come to America to live and work if our way is not better than the rest of the world.

    By joining the New World Order, we will reduce our standards of everything we now enjoy. I think if we must stand alone, we should. You never find the majority at the top of anything. So, the top could be considered the best. Why wouldn’t anyone want to be part of the best? why would anyone be happy being in a lower class?

    Should we try to get along with the rest of the world? Yes, but we should not sacrifice our way of life in doing so. We should encourage others to raise themselves to a higher level and not lower our standards in the process.

  59. madmouser says:

    As a youth volunteer friend of mine once told me not to worry about this generation because there are plenty of good kids out there, they just do make news headlines. They will be the ones making decisions for our country in the future because the other type will be too selfish enjoying their debauchery to care about the country. She made a good point. Also, consider this; the religious people are the ones having babies and not abortions, so in time, they will become the majority. The future looks brighter to me me now.

  60. al66888 says:

    piggybacking on what the madmouser said, that last line couldn’t ring more true. I am always interested in looking at the demography of the country and the world. And in the US, the abortion issue that the left clings to just may be their undoing. Most of the blue states have declining populations while the red states have increasing populations.

    Unfortunately, for the rest of the world, especially Europe, their liberal agendas are going the same way as the blue states. Their populations are decreasing and immigrants are making up most of the growth.

    I have no idea why our government is trying to get us involved with this ‘new world order’. Even on a smaller scale with MexAmeriCanada and our Senate’s continued attempts to pass horrible immigration legislation.

  61. Ozymandias says:

    We don’t need the bible in school to make our kids safer.

  62. madmouser says:

    Sorry, you failed to get the point from the beginning. I did not say that the Bible should be taught in school. i was alluding to the fact that religious children are less likely to become violent in school. To bow your head in a moment of silence to start your day at school is not hurting anyone. If you are religious, you quietly say a prayer and if you are not religious, you don’t have to think at all. Your choice.

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